{"id":715,"date":"2019-08-29T00:03:08","date_gmt":"2019-08-29T00:03:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/getaudiogram.com\/blog\/?page_id=715"},"modified":"2019-08-29T03:13:46","modified_gmt":"2019-08-29T03:13:46","slug":"danielle-morrill-speaking-our-truth","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/getaudiogram.com\/blog\/review\/danielle-morrill-speaking-our-truth\/","title":{"rendered":"Danielle Morrill on speaking our truth, and helping us cope with loneliness"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>In this <a href=\"https:\/\/product-hunt-radio.simplecast.com\/episodes\/04c21c6e-04c21c6e\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\" (opens in a new tab)\">featured conversation<\/a> between Product Hunt\u2019s Ryan Hoover and <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\" (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/DanielleMorrill\" target=\"_blank\">Danielle Morrill<\/a>, we learn why professional success doesn\u2019t always lead to personal fulfillment, and what to do about it. Can a perspective shift help us succeed while also being kinder to ourselves? How can we deepen our empathy and increase the amount of meaningful work we do? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.goodreads.com\/user\/show\/1166266-danielle-morrill?source=post_page---------------------------\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\" (opens in a new tab)\">Danielle<\/a> offers a rare combination we don\u2019t always find on popular tech podcasts: the courage to be emotionally unguarded alongside the professional accomplishments that few manage to achieve. Beneath routine questions about what she\u2019s done and what\u2019s helped her along the way, Danielle\u2019s answers hint at her struggle to redefine fulfilling work beyond \u201cchasing unicorns\u201d and \u201cthe billion-dollar startup dream.\u201d <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Danielle was employee #1 at <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\" (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/twilio.com\" target=\"_blank\">Twillio<\/a>, and has been blogging about start-ups from a keen, data-driven lens since 2013. Her blog would eventually evolve into <a href=\"https:\/\/mattermark.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Mattermark (opens in a new tab)\">Mattermark<\/a>, a company she and her husband, Kevin Morrill, co-founded. FullContact acquired Mattermark in 2017, which brought Danielle and Kevin to Denver, Colorado where they currently live. Danielle has since joined GitLab after a professional sabbatical in 2018. <br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3>The line between marketing, self-care, and \u2018performance art\u2019<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>It goes without saying that Danielle is a very effective communicator. After acquiring Twilio\u2019s first 100k users and growing a blog into an MVP of a startup, it\u2019s clear her writing is uniquely able to ask and answer questions with a transparency that resonates with people. Danielle proves that effective communication can build a community around a cause or brand. That said, the internet is flooded with click-bait and impersonal listicles which fail to connect us in a real, unique way. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>When content does succeed at starting and sustaining a meaningful conversation, does the rush from the engagement cause us to double-down on what works? Can our data sometimes trick us into writing what makes us look and feel good at the expense of what\u2019s authentic and true?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-video aligncenter\"><video controls poster=\"https:\/\/s3.amazonaws.com\/audiogram-render-lambda-node8-dev\/995d1570-c9ec-11e9-bb80-792971742bdc\/poster.jpg\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.amazonaws.com\/audiogram-render-lambda-node8-dev\/995d1570-c9ec-11e9-bb80-792971742bdc\/audiogram.mp4\"><\/video><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Even writing this blog post, it was tempting to summarize Danielle\u2019s ideas, list out her recommendations under an attention-grabbing headline, and then check the box beside \u2018weekly blog post.\u2019 Going with what\u2019s good over what\u2019s easy feels like the hardest part about blogging, which is why, as Danielle explains, \u201chow-to\u2019s\u201d and other prescriptive content just add to the noise online.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-video aligncenter\"><video controls poster=\"https:\/\/s3.amazonaws.com\/audiogram-render-lambda-node8-dev\/879a76b0-c9ed-11e9-bb80-792971742bdc\/poster.jpg\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.amazonaws.com\/audiogram-render-lambda-node8-dev\/879a76b0-c9ed-11e9-bb80-792971742bdc\/audiogram.mp4\"><\/video><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Many attempts at content marketing fail to make our customers care because of what Danielle refers to as \u201cperformance art.\u201d Connecting to the people who are rooting for us becomes harder when we use marketing as a means to \u201ccast ourselves in the best possible light.\u201d According to Danielle, this can become tedious and self-defeating if done without self-awareness. <br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3>Coping with loneliness as a founder&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Perhaps it\u2019s this online image of perfection we create that leads to isolation and loneliness when starting a business. Building a product, deciding to bootstrap or raise, and hiring and scaling are all difficult challenges that are only compounded by the false narrative that \u201cour struggles are our own.\u201d <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-video aligncenter\"><video controls poster=\"https:\/\/s3.amazonaws.com\/audiogram-render-lambda-node8-dev\/fd46ef20-c9ec-11e9-bb80-792971742bdc\/poster.jpg\" src=\" https:\/\/s3.amazonaws.com\/audiogram-render-lambda-node8-dev\/fd46ef20-c9ec-11e9-bb80-792971742bdc\/audiogram.mp4\"><\/video><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Danielle doesn\u2019t explicitly state it, but listeners can get a sense of how her time on sabbatical spent reading and reflecting helped her differentiate between the concepts of solitude and loneliness. Danielle says, getting to \u201ctry on other people\u2019s lives\u201d is her big takeaway from reading \u2013 especially fiction. Transforming from a busy CEO who preferred summaries of books over the real thing, into a person who&#8217;s making time to design a life with intention \u2013 Danielle&#8217;s evolution is the inspiration we need to resist the urge to undermine ourselves through superficial communication. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-video aligncenter\"><video controls poster=\"https:\/\/s3.amazonaws.com\/audiogram-render-lambda-node8-dev\/d0d7b360-c9ed-11e9-bb80-792971742bdc\/poster.jpg\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.amazonaws.com\/audiogram-render-lambda-node8-dev\/d0d7b360-c9ed-11e9-bb80-792971742bdc\/audiogram.mp4\"><\/video><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Danielle suggests that playing Tetris with your calendar to optimize yourself like a robot might be an effective way to chunk in more to-do\u2019s, but it deprives us of having a story about how we spend our days. Danielle\u2019s tip is to use our calendars as a way to narrate our days. That way, when we reflect back on whether our time accurately reflects our values (she reserves Sunday for introspection) we aren\u2019t just being kinder to ourselves, we\u2019re working with the human need for cohesiveness instead of against it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Being less transactional with ourselves also transforms how we relate to others. We can transcend the urge to small-talk on social media during those spare moments and thus, reclaim our time. It doesn\u2019t feel like we\u2019re undermining ourselves when we buy into the culture of busy, and it doesn\u2019t feel like we\u2019re undermining others when we\u2019re pumping out content and tweeting for shares because that\u2019s what everyone else is doing \ud83e\udd37. Danielle\u2019s suggestions are a recounting of what\u2019s worked for her life \u2013 and feel a bit like a hat-tip to Mark Twain\u2019s famous quote, \u201cWhenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-video aligncenter\"><video controls poster=\"https:\/\/s3.amazonaws.com\/audiogram-render-lambda-node8-dev\/45621a00-c9ed-11e9-bb80-792971742bdc\/poster.jpg\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.amazonaws.com\/audiogram-render-lambda-node8-dev\/45621a00-c9ed-11e9-bb80-792971742bdc\/audiogram.mp4\"><\/video><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3>Closing thoughts<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>What prompted me to dive deep into this particular episode is the nuance and wisdom layered into what seems like just a run of the mill interview. Danielle might be considered wildly successful by many standards we\u2019d apply to tech founders, but she\u2019s uniquely able to make her struggles feel real without using them to play the victim. This is so rare and so important. Am I the only one who detects the mild disdain in her voice when she reflects on how she used to think or when she talks about what passes for marketing online these days? Personal growth isn\u2019t meant to be comfortable. I really relate to how hard it feels to transcend emotional challenges, but I also try to look back on my mistakes with some compassion for myself. I totally agree with Danielle that this sounds easy but isn\u2019t. This conversation is a refreshing glimpse into the perspective of someone who accepts the struggle required to grow and mature, yet isn\u2019t trying to fake or sugarcoat the process.<br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>While our team continues to search for ways to grow Audiogram without selling our souls, we\u2019ll continue to seek out likeminded founders and creators by doing these deep dives into really helpful podcast episodes. If you\u2019re also creating something, whether it\u2019s a podcast or something interesting for social, hope you don\u2019t mind me asking: Have you given <a href=\"https:\/\/getaudiogram.com\/\">Audiogram<\/a> a try recently? <br><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Professional success doesn\u2019t always lead to personal fulfillment. 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